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Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:55 pm
by Flipmode
While I'm on a posting frenzy - here's the spots I've included. Please let me know if you see something left out. Most of the key spots are in the Bronx, so I can't zoom out too far or they will be just blips on the map. So I can't really include places in Queens like the Empire Blvd Skating Rink... Also I will putting a little blurb of info next to each location, to summarize the importance. There will be some images around the map also. Thanks all -

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Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:27 pm
by Beatmaster31
My brother,Flipmode.
The Twilight Zone and The Hevalo are two different places.
Very close in proximety to each other.
Jerome Avenue runs close to 6 miles up in the Boogie Down.
When you hear about streets and avenues like The Concourse,Tremont,Jerome,etc..
Keep in mind that these avenues run crazy distances and
they intersect with alot of places.
The borough of the Bronx is as big as the entire city of Baltimore.


Peace with dap,Flip.

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:36 pm
by Beatmaster31
Flip,
There are many,many locations left out.
Remember the jams were done mostly in the parks.
There are about 40-50 main parks that A.J.
Flash,Theodore,Bam,Islam,Herc,Breakout,Mario, and all them etc..etc..
rocked at.
I honestly do not think you can rock all them spots
on an area this small.
You probably will have to adobe this project or something to make the viewing
area much larger.
RChecka did something on the elements back sometime ago
and he layed it out pretty dope.
Maybe you can do it similar to that.


Peace.

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:34 pm
by Flipmode
Beatmaster - good to know - I knew someone here would know this - about Twilight and Hevalo. I'm a bit out of my league with the details here. See I was born in 74' in Rochester - you all were (some of you) were rocking these clubs while I was playing with blocks.

And about the locations. Man the more I read up on this, the more places I come across. I mean Troy's listing the burger kings! As much as I would like to include all the parks and clubs, there's just no way I can do it on this map. It's really going to be a tribute in a sense, and to school the new kids on the roots. Even though I'm a new kid I guess myself.

I hope in the end, it's a piece of artwork, thats a map, thats a small history lesson as well.

Thanks again -

(edit) just looking at the map above - it would work much better if I rotated the image so it's landscape view. I'll do that tomorrow. I can maybe enlarge it that way.

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:56 pm
by troylsmith21
And about the locations. Man the more I read up on this, the more places I come across. I mean Troy's listing the burger kings! As much as I would like to include all the parks and clubs, there's just no way I can do it on this map. It's really going to be a tribute in a sense, and to school the new kids on the roots. Even though I'm a new kid I guess myself.


I am working on giving you a shorter list. Is 15 and 15 cool or you want it lower?

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:58 pm
by Flipmode
see what i've included in the map above. If you have any more that I can add, without getting too detailed, that I'll take it. Thanks again Troy - much appreciated.

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:10 pm
by troylsmith21
By the way it looks beautiful, I love it.

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:24 pm
by troylsmith21
The Manhattan clubs might be a little bit more easier because more spots go further downtown.


Bronx
Black door………………163rd st. Freeman avenue. In 1981 became the Dixie Flash, Mele Mel and Cowboys home.
Burger King- disco……..163rd st. Prospect ave. as crazy as it sounds Flash did party’s there. They would unscrew the tables and chairs at 7:30 p.m. it was time to party.
Disco Fever new………..East Tremont and Webster ave.
Hevalo………………...176th st. Burnside
Kips Bay boys club……..Between Pugsley ave. and Randle ave.
Monroe H.S…………….up the hill from bx. river another home of Zulu.
P.A.L……………………183rd st. Webster ave.
18 park…………………..behind the Patterson projects. Casanova turf.
Savoy manor…………….120 east 149th st. between Walton ave. and the grand concourse
Skate Fever………………176th st. Jerome ave. off Mount. Eden
Sparkle…………………...?
Star dust ballroom……….. 3435 Boston Rd.
Twilight Zone…………….?
The Valley………………..Rock Park baychester

Manhattan
Amphitheater…………FDR drive East Houston Green park. Famous last setting for the wild style movie.
Bonds International……45th street and Broadway.
Broadway Inter……….146th st. Broadway
Celebrity Club………...125th st. 5th ave.
Danceteria…………….21st. between 5th and 6th st.
Fun house……………..26th st. between 10th and 11th ave.
Hotel Diplomat……….47th st. Broadway
I.S. 201……………….127th st. Madison ave.
Latin Quarters…………48th st. between Broadway and 7th ave.
Mount Morris park…….123rd st. Madison ave.
P.A.L………………….123rd st 8th and 7th ave.
Randy’s Place…………..309 west 125th st. 8th ave. and st.Nicholas.
Renaissance……………137th st.7th ave.
Roof Top………………155th st. 8th Ave.
Roxys………………….18th st. 10th 11th ave.
Union Sq………………..14th st Union Sq.
Wetlands………………..Hudson st. near canal st.

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:29 pm
by troylsmith21
Also might be a good look to put the Staten island ferry in between Manhattan and Staten island labeling The Force M.C.s use to rock there. Stevie Dee is about to hit me off with his information where they rest in Staten Island also.

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:01 pm
by Beatmaster31
Ok,Brother Flip
I'm diggin' that...
But under that vise, your going to have to do a process of elimination
with the people of the board using Tapemaster Troy L.'s dope list as a guide of reference.
Because about 25-30% were big time,everybody played at them venues...
and other's were just a few table and chair places that the founding father's and mother's
of Hip Hop got their starts.

From the current map:
1520 Sedgwick
Bronx River Center
T-Connection
Ecstasy Garage
Audubon Ballroom
Disco Fever
The Executive Playhouse
Club 371
Harlem World
Enjoy Records
Rock Steady Park
Queensbridge Park


all were major players.

A big thing to keep in mind when you are doing your list.
Is that the shoe crowd was older and downtown.
The sneaker crowd was younger and uptown.
The kids under 18 could not get into alot of these venues,
Don't buy alot of these mythical stories that people got in at 15,16 years old...
surely it happened,but is was very infrequent.
Kool DJ AJ will tell you also that many of these spots had cats at the door
backed by major gangs and squads at the time, Casanovas,9 Crew,Black Spades,etc..
So you was going to get turned away.
The parks was open to everyone so they drew bigger crowds
and you could see many people perform.

I'll step back and let others contribute,
I don't want to hog,LOLOLOL...
But I have to add that you gotta go a little further in the direction of The East Bronx
with some spots because DISCO KING MARIO AND CHUCK CITY,AFRIKA BAMBAATTAA AND THE ZULU NATION,AFRIKA ISLAM AND THE IMPERIAL 4,LIGHTNING LANCE,RED ALERT,JAZZY JAY,JAZZY 5,SOUND MASTERS,GRAND WIZARD KENNY KEN,etc..etc.. all came from that area.
That is alot of Hip Hop that you can't leave out.

Peace my brother!

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:28 pm
by and one
Just a thought. I would def put Celebrity Club on there, seeing as it's one of the few places with video footage still around and a live record also.

Also the amphitheater from Wildstyle.

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:53 pm
by topp32
It would be nice to see this project correlated with the Hip Hop Elements Table that came across the Board earlier this year..

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:31 pm
by IRISH CRAIG
Flipmode wrote:craig - that map is killer man. It's sort of along the line I was thinking! Did you make that?

Also - some great pin points on that google map you linked to.

Thanks man - that is some great help


No sweat man - Nah, I didnt make the wee map, it was a page from the Born in the Bronx book by Johan Kugelberg, for me its by far the best book Ive read on the truth behind the history of Hip-Hop in damn near 30 years

That google map joint with the maps connected to the flyers is monkey food dude, I'd love to map the parties with the flyers for them, there are so many of the buddy Esquire and Phase2 flyers around, it would be great to match them up with the shows that are already on-line

I love what the 90s guys are doin over here with the Stretch and Bobbito shows, mapping out the history of the shows time-line -

http://philaflava.blogspot.com/2010/10/ ... ng-it.html

&

http://stretchandbobbito.blogspot.com/

Actually, this would be great to do with Mike Allens shows [thinkin out loud now]

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:44 pm
by Flipmode
I'm still working on this. I have about 2 more weeks. It's a big image, so looks like this forum cuts half it off. Link posted below of ENTRIE MAP also. The finished map will be twice this size, so it will be much easier to read streets and stuff. I tried to get as many locations as I could in there, without cramping it up. The bottom right is going to be brick also - but I haven't made it all pretty yet. It's going to have a passage about the history, and how many locations are now torn down, but these we're the spots that shaped Hip Hop as is today... ya know. I'm going to have a DJ spinning down there also. But I haven't drawn it all yet. Once it down, it should fit the graphic style of the map more.

Anyway - shout out to Troy for his help (and the rest of you also, but Troy really came thru with that huge list of places) I'll be sure to post another final image when I'm done.



Image

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/ ... JBeals.jpg

Re: Help with historic (New York) spots in raps history...

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:43 pm
by troylsmith21
Looks good so far. To catch those Queens locations check with the party flyers http://www.toledohiphop.org/images/old_ ... urce_code/ There are some new jersey sites you might be interested in also. Keep up the good work.